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timmy

Mon Sep 06 2004, 01:37AM

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Joined: Mon Jul 05 2004, 01:46AM
posts 74

indeed ^^

Im Doing 100 On The Highway, So If You Do the Speedlimit Get The Fuck Out Of My Way

mbikerdav

Mon Sep 06 2004, 07:48PM

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Joined: Tue Jan 06 2004, 09:18PM
Location: Lincolnshire, yaaaar
posts 348

yes i am the only prick that hacks, but what you dont realise is that JAPS hack on PUBLIC SERVERS as well as private so stfu fool! i aint gettin no plane...if you have anything against 1 hacker u have something against them all. and im not the only 1 thats come on hacking, so i'd stfu if i were you. ill mention names if it comes to it. and i cba to read all ur post cos im a prick. gnite.

Riot

Mon Sep 06 2004, 09:42PM

Registered Member #186
Joined: Thu Apr 22 2004, 09:24PM
Location: Essex
posts 138

lmao tbh...wen does this speech come out on tv?

i didnt say u were the only hacker in the world. hense y i said "btw i have nothing against u personally"

cba to look at this thread again its pointless n gone totally off subject so feel free to post all the shit u wish about me

Riot

Tue Sep 07 2004, 06:21AM

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Joined: Thu Apr 22 2004, 09:24PM
Location: Essex
posts 138

Rascal i remember you sayin somethink back in one of the posts about how are they measured and what are they measured in etc.. iv found a linkk thats written by enemy down that explains all. here ya go

hope it helps. explained it a bit betta for me

http://www.enemydown.co.uk/article.php?id=59

Rascal

Tue Sep 07 2004, 02:06PM

Location: UK
posts 540

ok....using the formulae in that link, I have established the following...lets start with an adsl connection 512 down 256 up.

ADSL linespeed in Kilobytes per second

512kb/s / 8 = 64kB/s (bits to bytes conversion)

So 63kB/s is the maximum kB/s 512 ADSL can transfer.

Bonded ISDN (128) linespeed in Kilobytes per second

128kb/s / 8 = 16kB/s (bits to bytes conversion)

So 16kB/s is the maximum kB/s 128k ISDN can transfer.

Bytes per second used by the cl_rate 25000

25000 /1024 = 24.4140625kB/s (bytes to kilobytes)

So you will attempt to receive updates at 24.4kB/s

More Definitions

cl_cmdrate defines how many updates per second you send to the server (100)

With the default cl_rate of 9999, you are sending 99.99 bytes of data upstream to the server, if the cl_cmdrate is 100. (9999 / 100 = 99.99) or...about 12.5kB/s

Conclusions

With the following settings...

cl_rate 25000
cl_updaterate 100
cl_cmdrate 100

You need 24.4kB/s + 12.5kB/s = 36.9kB/s free.
(It will actually be more as cl_rate at 25000 will increase the kB/s you send too)
So essentially, 512 ADSL could support 2 players at 'default' rates and 1 of the cl_rate is set to 25000...by design. (I'm not saying its not possible for 2 ppl).

Now, since im on 128k, there is no way I can use those settings as the linespeed simply cannot transfer at that kB/s rate....by miles.

So, if I take for example...
cl_rate 5000
cl_updaterate 100
cl_cmdrate 100

I use
5000 /1024 = 4.88kB/s (bytes to kilobytes) sending and (5000 /100) /8 = 6.25kB/s recieving

A total of 11.13kB/s of my total 16kB/s that the line can theoretically support.

So, the long and short of it is...using the 'cs default' settings that I have, I actually send and receive at a more demanding rate than you guys do on adsl....and its impossible to raise it higher without experiencing choke and loss.

Choke and loss are related to the success or failure of transfering data at the rates specified in config.

My conclusion then...

1. I'm not changing my 'default' config to a custom setting.
2. I'll challenge anyone who disagrees with me...and win, because I understand it better than you.
3. You have nothing to complain about because my config more than matches my linespeed.
4. Valve should never have made these settings user configurable, they should have been fixed relating to selected linespeed (essentially what I've done by leaving these values out of config - therefor using cs default for the linespeed)
5. My maths isnt perfect so I might have made mistakes. Check it if you like. I will correct any calculations I've got wrong...and btw, I've rounded to 1 or 2 decimal places for some calculations.

Sources
http://www.enemydown.co.uk/article.php?id=59
http://www.summerblue.net/games/cs_report/2_4_communication_config.html

"They'll be sorry. They'll be sorry if I die - except that I can't. Whatever you do it ends up raining. What's it all for? What's the point of it all? And if it hasn't got a point, what's the point of that?" - Monkey

mbikerdav

Tue Sep 07 2004, 06:19PM

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Joined: Tue Jan 06 2004, 09:18PM
Location: Lincolnshire, yaaaar
posts 348

so it ends now, so i will jus say...

Dear Riot...

That is all
[ Edited Tue Sep 07 2004, 07:20PM ]

Brendakov

Tue Sep 07 2004, 08:45PM

Joined: Wed Jan 07 2004, 09:17PM
Location: Right up inside you boy!
posts 1215

grrreeatt

timmy

Tue Sep 07 2004, 09:30PM

Registered Member #232
Joined: Mon Jul 05 2004, 01:46AM
posts 74

hmmm i guess i should change my rates from 25000 , 101 , 101 cause according to that im making it worse for myself on 300k???

Im Doing 100 On The Highway, So If You Do the Speedlimit Get The Fuck Out Of My Way

Rascal

Wed Sep 08 2004, 12:05AM

Location: UK
posts 540

no u get away with it, coz 300k is 37.5kB/s its rare it will use the 36.9kB/s it theoretically needs. That would only happen on a packed server on a huge map with everyone shooting etc...

-Talon-

Wed Sep 08 2004, 04:09PM

Registered Member #180
Joined: Sun Apr 18 2004, 07:47PM
posts 273

might as well drop the 25k to 20k tim, wont make much difference

good work btw ras,

Lifes a bitch, F*Ck it hard

timmy

Thu Sep 09 2004, 12:20AM

Registered Member #232
Joined: Mon Jul 05 2004, 01:46AM
posts 74

k thanks ras

and tal

Im Doing 100 On The Highway, So If You Do the Speedlimit Get The Fuck Out Of My Way

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